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Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)

by "Wolfgang Kern" <nowhere@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 24, 2008 at 03:09 PM

"cr88192" wrote:
...
>> If OpenGL is what I think, it could be my key into analysing
>> drivers/tools to finally get the missing information on how
>> certain GPUs could be direct controlled at lowest level.

>> I gave up on DirectX analysis, ...

> oddly enough, it is often big and complicated structures that offer a
lot
> more in terms of performance than simpler structures...

Lowest level coding doesn't neccessarily mean 'simple',
but it can avoid delays like useless paranoid protection
and weird code detours given by HLL-abstractions.

> but, yes, I think at least is should probably be a much more direct
route,
> taking note that GL tends to operate at a much lower level of
abstraction
> than DX (containing a good ****tion of a 3D engine as well as just
rendering
> stuff...).

Yeah, and I think at least hardware drivers should be written at lowest
level, even windoze may have problems with direct hw-access.

> I think it is all faster than the linear framebuffer is because, somehow
or
> another, the video card is capable of quickly pulling off a rather large
> amount of operations (likely on of the bigger of these being that of
being
> able to efficiently draw all of these textured triangles).

True, beside that a GPU can act as busmaster on accellerated AGP
which is not available for the VESA-aproach.
So even a plain write to screen will be up to 8 times faster than VESA.

> an alternate historical route would likely have been, had HW accel not
come
> around, the main CPUs gaining absurdly large vector processing abilities
> (or, possibly GPU-like devices becomming popular as coprocessors, later
> becomming integrated into the main processor).

When I look at latest mobile phones, with TV, internet, VideoPhone,
games, mass-storage, USB, and whatsoever else functions merged into
one? mass-production single chip, then the future is today already ...

> actually, the few-big-processors + teh-crapload of smaller vector
> processors, is likely to become a particularly major trend in computing
I
> think (albeit, the wall is likely to become far less blatant than the
> present CPU/GPU split).

Low cost mass production may try to combine all into one chip, but
I think separated units for sound, graphic and math will remain for
high quality demands.


[interesting future image...]

I also see many little independent CPU-cells with their own memory,
but with several (light?) busses to share with neighbours and masters.
So almost a tiny network of little PCs ...

> externally, they would likely somewhat represent ordinary processors.

yeah.

> (and me venturing further off into sci-fi land...).

[the walking stove...]
I can image that my housekeeping android fry me breakfest eggs in
front of me. And it would 'nice to be near' during winter too. :)

....
> filled, and use the bodies' surface area as a heat sink (heat pumps
> direct heat from the processor to the bodies' fluid/coolant system).

This reminds me of something, ...mother nature already invented this ;)
I hope androids will once cost less than my former wifes  :)

For future power issues I'd pray:
 'may Lord Light be on our way and protect us!'
__
wolfgang
 




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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-17 07:21:04 
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santosh <santosh.k83@[  2008-07-17 20:16:58 
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Phil Carmody <thefatph  2008-07-18 03:05:43 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-17 19:19:22 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-18 03:41:09 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-19 11:13:29 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-19 22:41:58 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-19 17:22:45 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-20 13:21:22 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-20 11:38:38 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-21 01:01:13 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-20 19:11:00 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-21 10:03:59 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-21 11:29:37 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-22 21:41:15 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-22 19:33:20 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-23 10:24:48 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-23 12:10:42 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-23 22:59:43 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-24 15:09:30 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-25 15:15:05 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-25 10:31:38 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-25 20:56:16 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-26 05:06:08 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-27 23:22:46 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-27 15:03:20 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-30 13:44:09 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-30 14:13:32 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-30 23:41:01 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-08-01 20:50:15 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-26 05:06:17 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-28 00:15:52 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-27 18:02:08 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-30 17:48:02 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-30 05:40:08 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-30 21:39:04 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-31 05:20:26 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-31 22:57:42 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-27 18:23:03 
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"cr88192" <c  2008-07-30 18:20:44 
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Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@  2008-07-17 20:03:56 
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Phil Carmody <thefatph  2008-07-18 12:15:07 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-17 20:46:21 
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Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@  2008-07-17 21:57:18 
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"Jim Carlock" &  2008-07-18 11:42:30 
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"rio" <a@[EM  2008-07-18 07:52:23 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-18 02:01:51 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-18 02:37:45 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-18 02:42:05 
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"Alexei A. Frounze&q  2008-07-18 02:50:59 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-18 03:16:46 
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Robert Redelmeier <red  2008-07-18 12:42:57 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-20 16:34:44 
CPU type idea
mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-20 16:42:31 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-21 10:04:05 
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"Alexei A. Frounze&q  2008-07-21 11:51:15 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-21 22:53:48 
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"Alexei A. Frounze&q  2008-07-21 20:08:38 
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"Wolfgang Kern"  2008-07-22 11:21:00 
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mcjason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-22 01:52:22 
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"Rod Pemberton"  2008-07-22 17:15:41 
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"Alexei A. Frounze&q  2008-07-22 02:19:20 
Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)
NathanCBaker@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-30 18:14:28 
Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)
"cr88192" <c  2008-07-31 11:27:54 
Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)
Frank Kotler <fbkotler  2008-07-31 04:19:36 
Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)
"cr88192" <c  2008-07-31 23:02:54 
Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)
NathanCBaker@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-30 19:10:26 
Re: Vectors (cpu type idea)
NathanCBaker@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-08-01 12:53:13 

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